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	<title>Comments on: MOOC is not a dirty word&#8230; at least for the student</title>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Martin

My post was written from a student's point of view.  Whilst there is a lot of discussion about the advantages and disadvantages of MOOCs from an educationalist's point of view, we don't often hear what the student thinks.  

My conclusions remain the same:
1.  There is a need for free, short, no obligation courses that the student can take anytime, anywhere - even at their own pace
2. Not all students want an accredited piece of paper at the end.  For many (myself included), it's about learning something new or taking up a new challenge
3. MOOCs, at present, are probably of greatest value to the non-traditional, non-campus based student who may be time or resource poor
4. Can 34,000 students for a single course all be wrong?

Whilst I agree that MOOCs may not be for everyone and that some of the wrinkles still need to be ironed out, they offer a learning experience to which people are flocking - and based on feedback from the student forums - and finding enjoyable and useful.

Those universities that have the highest standing, e.g. Ivy League, Oxbridge etc, are likely to attract the most students.  It may be that quality of MOOCs run by such institutions is assured because of the reputation that they already have.

I'm sure the debate will rumble on, but let's not forget the student in all this.

Sharon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Martin</p>
<p>My post was written from a student&#8217;s point of view.  Whilst there is a lot of discussion about the advantages and disadvantages of MOOCs from an educationalist&#8217;s point of view, we don&#8217;t often hear what the student thinks.  </p>
<p>My conclusions remain the same:<br />
1.  There is a need for free, short, no obligation courses that the student can take anytime, anywhere - even at their own pace<br />
2. Not all students want an accredited piece of paper at the end.  For many (myself included), it&#8217;s about learning something new or taking up a new challenge<br />
3. MOOCs, at present, are probably of greatest value to the non-traditional, non-campus based student who may be time or resource poor<br />
4. Can 34,000 students for a single course all be wrong?</p>
<p>Whilst I agree that MOOCs may not be for everyone and that some of the wrinkles still need to be ironed out, they offer a learning experience to which people are flocking - and based on feedback from the student forums - and finding enjoyable and useful.</p>
<p>Those universities that have the highest standing, e.g. Ivy League, Oxbridge etc, are likely to attract the most students.  It may be that quality of MOOCs run by such institutions is assured because of the reputation that they already have.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the debate will rumble on, but let&#8217;s not forget the student in all this.</p>
<p>Sharon</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Hawksey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Hawksey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sharon,

Alan Cann and I were chatting about your post on Google+. I thought I'd share here:

Alan Cann 11:07 
Clay Shirky has said it all (as is his way). MOOCs are cheaper but not better, see: http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2012/11/napster-udacity-and-the-academy/
In a free economy, Gresham's Law applies and bad money drives out good.?

Martin Hawksey 12:14 
+Doug Clow has a nice post reflecting on Clay piece. Particularly liked "we knew MP3s were acoustically dodgy compared to full CDs. But they were easier to get hold of, and that made all the difference" http://dougclow.org/2012/11/12/moocs-oer-and-wikipedia-for-great-justice/?

Alan Cann 11:37
VHS and Betamax again already. Gresham's Law.?

Martin Hawksey 11:49 
And of course betamax/betacam had a long life after VHS won the home market because of the production quality was higher.

I don't think many institutions will be using the slogan 'Poppleton University, the betamax of higher education' ;)?

https://plus.google.com/114662816634467534305/posts/4wbbkBjumoH

Interested to hear your thoughts

Martin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sharon,</p>
<p>Alan Cann and I were chatting about your post on Google+. I thought I&#8217;d share here:</p>
<p>Alan Cann 11:07<br />
Clay Shirky has said it all (as is his way). MOOCs are cheaper but not better, see: <a href="http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2012/11/napster-udacity-and-the-academy/" rel="nofollow">http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2012/11/napster-udacity-and-the-academy/</a><br />
In a free economy, Gresham&#8217;s Law applies and bad money drives out good.?</p>
<p>Martin Hawksey 12:14<br />
+Doug Clow has a nice post reflecting on Clay piece. Particularly liked &#8220;we knew MP3s were acoustically dodgy compared to full CDs. But they were easier to get hold of, and that made all the difference&#8221; <a href="http://dougclow.org/2012/11/12/moocs-oer-and-wikipedia-for-great-justice/?" rel="nofollow">http://dougclow.org/2012/11/12/moocs-oer-and-wikipedia-for-great-justice/?</a></p>
<p>Alan Cann 11:37<br />
VHS and Betamax again already. Gresham&#8217;s Law.?</p>
<p>Martin Hawksey 11:49<br />
And of course betamax/betacam had a long life after VHS won the home market because of the production quality was higher.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think many institutions will be using the slogan &#8216;Poppleton University, the betamax of higher education&#8217; ;)?</p>
<p><a href="https://plus.google.com/114662816634467534305/posts/4wbbkBjumoH" rel="nofollow">https://plus.google.com/114662816634467534305/posts/4wbbkBjumoH</a></p>
<p>Interested to hear your thoughts</p>
<p>Martin</p>
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		<title>By: AJ Cann</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJ Cann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 11:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clay Shirky has said it all (as is his way). MOOCs are cheaper but not better, see: http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2012/11/napster-udacity-and-the-academy/
In a free attention economy, Gresham's Law applies and bad money drives out good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clay Shirky has said it all (as is his way). MOOCs are cheaper but not better, see: <a href="http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2012/11/napster-udacity-and-the-academy/" rel="nofollow">http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2012/11/napster-udacity-and-the-academy/</a><br />
In a free attention economy, Gresham&#8217;s Law applies and bad money drives out good.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucas Gruez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucas Gruez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks a lot for your post. I am particpating in 2 MOOCs, and I agree with you. I'm teacher and I think Mooc is probably not a revolution, but an very interesting way to create better teachnig and learning ways. 
To share my interest about Moocs I do curation here:
http://www.scoop.it/t/easy-mooc
Best regards
Lucas Gruez</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks a lot for your post. I am particpating in 2 MOOCs, and I agree with you. I&#8217;m teacher and I think Mooc is probably not a revolution, but an very interesting way to create better teachnig and learning ways.<br />
To share my interest about Moocs I do curation here:<br />
<a href="http://www.scoop.it/t/easy-mooc" rel="nofollow">http://www.scoop.it/t/easy-mooc</a><br />
Best regards<br />
Lucas Gruez</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to plerudulier for writing a response to my post.  You can find his comment at &lt;a href="http://thingsigrab.wordpress.com/2012/11/11/mooc-is-not-a-dirty-word-at-least-for-the-student-sharon-perry/" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://thingsigrab.wordpress.com/2012/11/11/mooc-is-not-a-dirty-word-at-least-for-the-student-sharon-perry/&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to plerudulier for writing a response to my post.  You can find his comment at <a href="http://thingsigrab.wordpress.com/2012/11/11/mooc-is-not-a-dirty-word-at-least-for-the-student-sharon-perry/" rel="nofollow">http://thingsigrab.wordpress.com/2012/11/11/mooc-is-not-a-dirty-word-at-least-for-the-student-sharon-perry/</a></p>
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